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Post by 84svojames on Feb 9, 2011 12:34:52 GMT -5
Hi Stinger,
I've got a couple of setup questions about the PIMP system you'll be coming out with soon. I was formerly planning on going with the Quarterhorse, but like what I've read about PIMP so far.
1.The PIMP system replaces the LA3 in front of the passenger door panel or plugs into it? 2. The PIMP system uses it's own wiring harness supplied by Stinger Perf or the cars existing? 3. PIMP requires a VAM, or allows Speed Density or MAF? 4. PIMP can use the (better than Ford) GM IAC, 3 Bar Map Sensor, and Air Temp Sensor? And requires the WB02 Sensor? Or, what is the superior list of parts to be installed on the car to work with PIMP? 5. Anticipate it being released in March? 6. Upgraded software releases available to owners? 7. To get the cars into the 500+ hp range you anticipate which size injector? to go with Bo's head Stage 3 and 2.5 cam? 8. Same question as 8, but home ported head/237 cam? 9. PIMP uses a switch like QH to go to various tunes like 1. STREET, 2. DRAG, 3. ROADCOURSE, 4. NITROUS, 5. ECONOMY? Or how does one go about such dramatic changes?
Thanks a lot, appreciate the answers. -James
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Post by Stinger on Feb 9, 2011 14:11:03 GMT -5
1. Replaces it 2. Uses existing factory harness 3. SD, Alpha-N, or MAF (though there is no reason to run it in MAF mode) 4. It "can" use those sensors if you desire. Comes with the map already inside the ecu case. Does require a WB02. IMO there is no need to use the GM sensors though so all you "need" to install it is an eec-iv powered Ford vehicle. You'll need a WBo2 to tune it properly. 5. Sure 6. Yes 7. 500+ rwhp would require at least 85's. 500+ hp at the flywheel can be done with 75's. 8. Same injector size required for "x" hp regardless of mods. 9. No switch and no real need for one IMO. You "can" develop different tunes for different needs (maybe more aggressive timing with race fuel) but I can't think of anything else that would change. You can have it "lean burn" at cruise rpm/load and still be tuned properly at wide open throttle high boost. Street and Road Course would have the same basic "safe" timing map. Nitrous may use an even less aggressive timing map. You can load a different timing map (or completely new tune) in a few seconds using your laptop (or soon, any Android Phone). Nitrous control can be turned on/off with a laptop using the tuning software as well.
It IS setup so you could flip the premium/regular fuel switch and have it switch timing tables. This could be used to switch between the pump gas and race gas or pump gas and nitrous timing tables or any other two timing tables without needing a laptop in the car.
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Post by 75pinto on Feb 9, 2011 16:20:33 GMT -5
switching tuning maps with my driod=bliss
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Post by Stinger on Feb 9, 2011 18:07:29 GMT -5
switching tuning maps with my droid=bliss I agree ;D
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Post by 84svojames on Feb 10, 2011 10:40:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the good info, very helpful. That info combined with this thread stinger-performance.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=products&action=display&thread=1062&page=13#ixzz1DWIsLgBx -covers it all. I found it last nite, sorry I missed it, answer's everything after you answered this one for me so I understand the BIG stuff (in my mind). I really appreciate you and Wes recommending the wideband the system was designed around: via Wes page 11 of the above thread "AEM lambda cable is only $180 at summit, and works GREAT for plug and play installation using a cut off factory oxygen sensor pigtail." -from you page 13 "The 30-2310 is the easiest to hook up to the PIMP and we will offer directions for using the factory 02 sensor wires so you don't have to run any wires through the firewall." And this is a Great Timing Article! (just as you said) autospeed.com.au/cms/A_109132/article.html I also appreciate the explanation of a speed density setup you provided. NOW I understand (after 4 months or so of not knowing exactly how it worked). Thank ya sir. Replacing the entire computer system in our cars with your brand new unit is truly the best option for us. The newest LA3 (the latest I know) will be 30 years old in 7 more years! That's an ancient computer to rely on with a car. I had wondered what I was going to do to keep my car running another 25 years when the car is 50 something! And the ease of tuning you provide is fantastic. I appreciate that as well. Like you mentioned elsewhere, learning basic and using spreadsheets and knowing how a numeric change will affect the running of the car, etc. etc. is great for engineers, but bad for the car owner. Heck, I'm an engineer(day job) and the learning curve for other setups scared the crap outta me! You've turned yourself into a great asset to the 2.3 community and I thank ya! Press on!
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Post by svobrown on Feb 11, 2011 7:53:35 GMT -5
This guy 84svojames has got me on the wagon for the pimp system. It sounds like a very good setup and knowing a few people that have input on the product puts even more confidence into it. I have been looking for a stand alone system for a few years and this just may be it. I'm running a moates J3 with a 80maf with no problems at all for 3 years now. Only limit is not being able to upgrade without sending off for a new burn. I will be learning more as I go and hope to be running this setup at the next svoca meet with a PIMP is my ECU shirt! I wear a XL in black please.
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Post by Stinger on Feb 12, 2011 3:45:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the good info, very helpful. That info combined with this thread stinger-performance.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=products&action=display&thread=1062&page=13#ixzz1DWIsLgBx -covers it all. I found it last nite, sorry I missed it, answer's everything after you answered this one for me so I understand the BIG stuff (in my mind). I really appreciate you and Wes recommending the wideband the system was designed around: via Wes page 11 of the above thread "AEM lambda cable is only $180 at summit, and works GREAT for plug and play installation using a cut off factory oxygen sensor pigtail." -from you page 13 "The 30-2310 is the easiest to hook up to the PIMP and we will offer directions for using the factory 02 sensor wires so you don't have to run any wires through the firewall." And this is a Great Timing Article! (just as you said) autospeed.com.au/cms/A_109132/article.html I also appreciate the explanation of a speed density setup you provided. NOW I understand (after 4 months or so of not knowing exactly how it worked). Thank ya sir. Replacing the entire computer system in our cars with your brand new unit is truly the best option for us. The newest LA3 (the latest I know) will be 30 years old in 7 more years! That's an ancient computer to rely on with a car. I had wondered what I was going to do to keep my car running another 25 years when the car is 50 something! And the ease of tuning you provide is fantastic. I appreciate that as well. Like you mentioned elsewhere, learning basic and using spreadsheets and knowing how a numeric change will affect the running of the car, etc. etc. is great for engineers, but bad for the car owner. Heck, I'm an engineer(day job) and the learning curve for other setups scared the crap outta me! You've turned yourself into a great asset to the 2.3 community and I thank ya! Press on! Glad you've got a good grasp of the concepts now!
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Post by Stinger on Feb 12, 2011 3:52:42 GMT -5
This guy 84svojames has got me on the wagon for the pimp system. It sounds like a very good setup and knowing a few people that have input on the product puts even more confidence into it. I have been looking for a stand alone system for a few years and this just may be it. I'm running a moates J3 with a 80maf with no problems at all for 3 years now. Only limit is not being able to upgrade without sending off for a new burn. I will be learning more as I go and hope to be running this setup at the next svoca meet with a PIMP is my ECU shirt! I wear a XL in black please. You may be surprised how much better even the J3/Maf setup "could" run with an aftermarket ecu. If that's the case you wouldn't be the first I've been thinking about shirt ideas for the Pimp system. Certainly a simple white print on a black shirt. Can't decide on whether to put the Pimp logo large on the back and a small "Stinger Performance" script front/left on the shirt or put the Pimp logo front and center.
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Post by leroy420b on Feb 21, 2011 16:10:21 GMT -5
I say go with the big pimp logo on the back with small lettering up front sounds good ill take an xl along with my ecu
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Post by mcvey on Feb 21, 2011 20:51:02 GMT -5
Front & Center... With "ecu" subscript, and "stinger" logo sewn into left sleeve. I'd buy one...
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Post by Stinger on Feb 22, 2011 0:15:29 GMT -5
Sleeve graphics are too expensive...sewn in logo is even worse.
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Post by mdd1955 on May 8, 2011 11:02:29 GMT -5
I have an even more basic question, I am in the process of setting up a 93 mustang to put a 2.3T into it, after a 18 month hiatis due to real job requirments like 3260 hours worked last year alone. I haven't modified the wiring harness in the car yet but if I decide to start off with the PIMP, does the wiring harness have to be modified for the turbo application or can it me used as it? If I don't have to modify the wiring harness that is one thing off the list but have no issue and modifying if necessary for the PIMP to work.
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Post by Stinger on May 8, 2011 14:08:35 GMT -5
In theory it will work with the PiMP "as-is" but we haven't had a chance to test this in the real world (which involves finding someone with a dual plug car that is local to Wes or I that is willing to let us mess with their car for a few hours).
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Post by mdd1955 on May 9, 2011 19:26:59 GMT -5
Well the only thing left tht is a dual plug is the wiring harness and the ECM, original engine and trans gone. This is a rolling chassis right now that the interior is almost all removed so I can install sub frame connectors, the wiring harness for the T5 and then new carpet, seats etc. So it sounds like I probably need to go ahead and mod the harness like I am going to finish the turbo engine and ECM and then go from there. I will tell you that I am seriously looking at doing the PIMP mod instead of setting up the VAM and associated piping. This system looks like it will allow me to play with the engine from the very beginning and still remain very flexible for engine control. I will let you know when I am closer to that point, most likely late summer, I hope.
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Post by Stinger on May 9, 2011 21:45:28 GMT -5
I'd certainly wait on the harness, we may have it tested with the dual plug ignition/wiring by then and you'll find you don't have to mess with it.
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