Post by BirdofPrey88 on Aug 1, 2017 7:38:53 GMT -5
For the past almost 10 years all of my tuning has been with Binary Editor with QH and Jaybird, but I am not finding info other then to say it can be used on this site. Is the product not supported on this page?
Yeah, we ditched the chip based tuning options about 10 years ago and never looked back. Got tired of wasting so much time trying to dial it in compared to more modern options.
I prefer taking my time and dialing it in vs a canned tune. Seen way too many engines put together with the exact same parts end up needing too many different settings. Most are happy with 25hp and safe vs 75hp and running on the edge so to speak.
Completely understandable a tuning shop wants their product used and all others are subpar. Its apparent when the page still states to use a LC-1 instead of the MTX-L that logs dirrectly and its plug and play not hard wiring.
I never said anything about a canned tune. Canned tunes aren't even available for 2.3 turbo engines. I hate canned tunes.
If you'd hang around here you'd realize the last thing we do is lie to people simply to sell our products. We provide facts. I tell people all the time that they'd be better off not buying one of our products that their inquiring about because it either doesn't match their setup well, won't benefit them, or will cause them a bunch of grief because of their specific situation. I want customers to be happy with their purchases and feel like they can trust me for advice. To foster this relationship, I give them honest answers rather than being a salesman.
If you're only trying to make a little more power than stock then the chip based options are great. That's not what 2.3T guys do though. Most of these guys are making (or trying to make) 2-3x stock hp and the farther away from stock you get, the more a standalone tuning system makes sense financially, from a features standpoint, and from an ease-of-use standpoint.
The post about the chip based tuning options you're referring to is 8 years old. I already said we haven't used chip based stuff here in about 10 years (which is about 3 years before we offered our own tuning options). It's got antiquated info because the post is antiquated. If we wrote it last year I could understand your complaint but you're complaining that an 8 year old post has old info in it. I bet less than 2% of 2.3T people even use any sort of chip anymore and probably half of those are just people that already have it, aren't modifying anything else, and are just using it "as-is" and not actively tuning with it.
The "big dogs" in the chip tuning game 2.3T based stuff back in the day have all abandoned the chips. This is including svojohn who wrote the LSD.bin file you were referencing above. He now sends people to use to buy our ECU (or other Megasquirt based options) and then tunes it for them. I've never met anyone who's used any of the chip based stuff (EEC-Tuner, Tweecer, Jaybird, Quarterhorse, etc.) and then used a Megasquirt based system that's ever went back to chips. We've had guys who spent 3-4 years tweaking the tune on their Quarterhorse and swapped to our system and within a few hours already had a better running engine. Some of them have posted about it here so you can dig for the info if you don't believe me. This includes both 4 cyl and V8 guys. I bet half of our V8 customers are coming from a chip of some sort and tired of dealing with them and ready to move on to something better.
I'm glad you're happy with your Jaybird. If it does what you ask of it then that's great. It's not the best option for some people but not the best option for many more. There is no "one for all" tuning option that's best for everyone but there are options that fit the needs of the majority of the people we deal with here.
Post by BirdofPrey88 on Aug 2, 2017 8:22:04 GMT -5
I just came here looking for a file to start with the car to make some extremely minor adjustments and play with a VAM and to ask a question about the Stinger Performance exhaust that was on the car that was just purchased.
Having a V6 with an SC on it putting capable of running 10.06 with a 5 spd and a 3800 lbs says enough for the chip tuning. There are a ton of guys out there that have no idea how to read and or use the information and the variables available are numerous, but for those of us that have used the equipment for years and know the vehicles we can and do make it work.
Feel free to write me a program for a 3.8L with an M90 that is pushing over 700 ftlbs of and 500hp. From what I am understanding that shouldn't be more than a day.?.? to have it written.
I am not hear to argue or compare, but rather use the equipment I have and know and that has proven itself time and again to make the power that's required. $75 for a new chip and sometime getting dialed in vs from what I saw $850 for a can tune isn't logical.
Again, if the file isn't available on this site that is fine. No issue giving Clint a call and seeing what he has available.
As I said from the start, we don't mess with chips and you don't have the hardware required for us to dial in your 3.8L. We could have it dialed in within an hour or two if you did though. You can see if the files are still available on the (basically dead for years) yahoo groups that people used to share files for chip tuning in the past. The LSD file is for converting to speed density, not using the VAM.
Making power and WOT tuning is the easy part so performance numbers don't really say much about any particular tuning hardware. The same timing values and AFR from any system should result in the same power (other than differences in induction restriction from VAM/MAF/MAP, and variance from any "adders" that are unaccounted for). The previously professionally tuned turbo V8 car (using a chip) that just converted to one of our systems that runs 6.0's in the 1/8th mile (with a manual trans) still managed to pick up power across the board the same evening as the install was done (gains of 60hp/60tq in areas and an increase in peak torque of 25 lb/ft while peak hp was within .5 hp both setups), and made a new personal best at the track the following day. So years of time dialing it in with a chip vs a couple hours with ours. Same guy did the tuning for both setups and he was not associated with us at all.
As I said above, if it works good for you then that's great. You should be able to write yourself a file in no time since you've been using it for so long. Fortunately more modern options don't require coding knowledge so creating a base tune to start with is much quicker and easier, and then you just drive around and it dials in the AFR for you in real-time under all conditions (and you set the target AFR for all the different load/rpm points so you don't have to worry about being locked in to any specific AFR).
I'm not sure why you keep bringing up can tunes. We don't offer them and I said above I hate them. No idea where you're coming up with the price of one either. Maybe someone out there is scamming people with $850 can tunes? No idea. Either way, nobody here has anything to do with any can tunes, or chips. Clint can probably hook you up with something. Stock bin files were readily available for 2.3T's 10-15 years ago, then MAF files were available for a few years, then SD files, then everyone moved on and interest/demand for them died off. So surely those legacy files are still saved somewhere.
Wow. Friendly guy. $800 isn't for a canned tune. It's for a megasquirt 3 in an eec-iv case. Good luck finding something better. I'm using stinger hardware on 3 different vehicles. While they do give you a base tune to get you started, it's nothing like a canned tune you would get in a handheld SCT or diablosport. The self-tuning capabilities of the megasquirt is awesome.