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Post by TommyT on Dec 22, 2020 0:08:13 GMT -5
Looking to upgrade my Frankenstein 60-1 P trim turbo for my turbo Pinto. My goal is 450rwhp. May have a line on a BW s257sx-e with an ,82 housing. Will this work for my stated goal? Any growth potential? Thanks in advance for the responses.
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Post by Stinger on Dec 22, 2020 3:34:25 GMT -5
It's certainly a more efficient and faster spooling turbo. It supports up to about 650hp so I'd assume it would be large enough support whatever goals you have. Wes would have a better idea as he's got more experience with the BW turbos.
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Post by wesk on Dec 22, 2020 11:59:13 GMT -5
What are your actual goals and budget? What price? You may be a little surprised as what these can be had for new.
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Post by TommyT on Dec 22, 2020 13:05:19 GMT -5
What are your actual goals and budget? What price? You may be a little surprised as what these can be had for new. My goal is to have the Pinto run in the 10's. Budget is fluid but I've just dropped quite a bit of cash on components .(You guys know first hand and that wasn't all of it) To be honest, I was hoping to just run this to get the car up and running. But upon further inspection found some weird adapters to mate the GN flange to the T3 flange. I'm way less than thrilled with this arrangement. I basically have 3 options. 1.-Reassemble that mess and run it as is (The turbo itself is in great shape) and see where I land. 2.- Spend ~$300 on a proper T3 housing for the p trim turbine or 3.- Buy a new turbo like the one I referred to in this post for ~$800. Unless I'm reading the wrong compressor map or reading it incorrectly, I do believe that my current turbo is capable of achieving the 500-550hp needed to get me where I want to be. Albeit at a max of 20 psi and on the ragged efficiency. Also, it seems that the s series like 30-40psi of boost to get me to where I want to be. I may be stuck in the stone age of TurboFords but is that even right?? Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted |
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Post by wesk on Dec 22, 2020 13:18:02 GMT -5
10's in a pinto really doesn't take all that much power. What camshaft, cylinder head, and intake?
I am a BW dealer. Since you already have provisions for a external gate, the s200 family is a good choice.
All SXE's come without a turbine houseing, and they have to be added as options. If you stick with the OE BW housings, you are more or less stuck with the 0.82 divided housing. These are t4 bolt pattern, but t3 gas path. This means drill 4 holes and they bolt up in place of a t3.
If you go aftermarket, there are more or less infinite housing combinations (.48, .63, .83 with both t3 and t4 inlets. Garrette style and half marmon outlets). The OE BW housings add 125$ to price of SXE supercore, while the aftermarket ones add $185. Add about $40 on top of that for your downpipe flange and parts.
It would perform better EVERYWHERE than your existing turbo. You likely could sell your existing turbo and recover half of the cost.
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Post by TommyT on Dec 22, 2020 14:07:34 GMT -5
The head is a home ported job with upgraded valve springs and stainless valves ( I believe they are big valves ***0n edit ehy are stock sized valves***) and a ranger roller cam. The previous owner is a well respected member of the TF community and was one of the early "fast guys" back in the day. He stated that the springs allowed the RR cam to make power to 7500 rpm. As far as any more cylinder head details, that's all I've got and unfortunately with the previous owners memory not being what it was, I have no idea if there's more or less work in the head. The intake is a ported and knife edged lower by Tim O and a gutted, rotated and ported upper with a 75mm TB from a 94 5.0. Stock pistons, with Crower sportman 5.2 rods. I have what I believe is an original center mount Stinger header, although it has a square wastegate flange on it. And a 3 " exhaust. That's the extent of the hardware.
I do realize that a well ported head and a good cam will be necessary down the road.
Better performance everywhere would be wonderful. The car is going to be a street/strip car so turbo performance that isn't an on and off switch at 4k would be welcome. I would want to go with an aftermarket housing with a T3 flange and a Vband outlet to make mounting and packaging easier. I didn't realize you were a BW vendor. Do you have a turbo recommendation? Was I on the right track with the 257? What turbine housing?
TT
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Post by wesk on Dec 23, 2020 7:22:46 GMT -5
A ranger cam will NEVER make power to 7500. It might make it to so 7500 in 1rst gear, but power will be falling off hard after 6000, no matter what you do to it, particularly with a stockish head. The intake from Tim is certainly good, and depending on when you got it from him (he has learned alot with them over the last couple years) no one makes more power within the limits of an unwelded factory casting.
What I would do if I were you would be to just purchase the cheap 51mm S200SX. It comes with a 0.82 divided T4 flange. It is a T3 gas path so drill 4 holes and it becomes a T3. The outlet is a half marmon (similar to V band, just accepts a formed sheet metal flange). Then when you upgrade head/cam you can just buy a S200SXE supercore and you already have the turbine housing.
If you want to only buy it once, then I would buy the 57mm SXE, and get a 0.63 housing. This will work now and later. When comparing the turbine size, it is 70mm so it is not like a factory .63.
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Post by TommyT on Dec 23, 2020 10:50:40 GMT -5
I'd rather just buy it once. Do you sell the supercores and aftermarket housings? I'd rather give you the business if possible. If you do, PM the details.
Thanks,
TT
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