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Post by 93stangnow23t on Sept 7, 2010 14:38:26 GMT -5
Ah your killin me over here stinger. but alright hopefully 4 weeks.
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Post by phil88turbonotch on Sept 7, 2010 15:16:23 GMT -5
oh man. i'm just started on my swap now. pulled the N/A engine last night, turbo engine is all cleaned up and buttoned up ready to go in. but now i'm starting to wonder if i should hold off on the wiring and just buy the PNP since it will run with the stock 90 N/A wiring to a turbo engine..... dang!!!.... advice or input?
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Post by Stinger on Sept 7, 2010 17:28:14 GMT -5
Phil, if it's a 91-93 I'd wait. If it's an 87-90, I'd just do the wiring now since it takes less than 30 minutes and you can get it up and running and work out any bugs before swapping the ecu.
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Post by phil88turbonotch on Sept 8, 2010 7:17:46 GMT -5
"so says the man... so shall it be done" lol. thanks stinger
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Post by bobbarker on Sept 8, 2010 8:06:43 GMT -5
Since it will work with any air metering system, which would you suggest? MAF, Speed density, VAM or anything else? If MAF which one should I get? Something from an '05 mustang with the cartridge or something else? Maybe something completely aftermarket? Suggestions!?!
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Post by 93stangnow23t on Sept 8, 2010 9:32:24 GMT -5
I think we would all agree to stay AWAY from the vam nothing but headaches.
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Post by Stinger on Sept 8, 2010 12:45:44 GMT -5
Speed density is the way to go. It's the cheapest (don't have to buy any air meter) and allows you to put the filter directly on the turbo (if you want) or on the end of a pipe in a cooler area without worrying about air meter location. It also doesn't require wiring up an air meter.
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Post by bobbarker on Sept 8, 2010 16:36:24 GMT -5
So is there something that I need to look for to run speed density? Like a speed density "meter" or something like that? Or is it just the computer knowing how much air is coming in from predetermined settings in the ECU tune? I read a quick thread about speed density from some other forum and never saw anything about buying a "unit" to run speed density, but just plug in the MS system from you and tune the car, right? I can pull out the POS vane air meter and slap a filter on the end of the turbo and go from there with tuning... I think...
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Post by Stinger on Sept 8, 2010 17:32:57 GMT -5
The MAP sensor that speed density uses to read vacuum/boost will be inside the MS ecu case. Just run the vacuum/boost line to it and you've converted to SD. You can remove the VAM and put the filter wherever you choose.
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Post by bobbarker on Sept 8, 2010 18:56:19 GMT -5
AWESOME!!!
This just keeps getting easier and easier!
So later on when I swap parts like turbo, head and cam, all I will need to do is get back into the computer and retune the new MS ECU from stinger for the new parts and I'm all done? Sounds almost too good to be true!
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Post by FRANK/TurboTempo on Sept 8, 2010 20:46:18 GMT -5
OK Stinger you are telling us going from Vane to speed density is that essy unplug Vane meter take if off car. connect a vacume line to MS ecp box and voila its done no tuning of anykind to do? If so put me up on list for that kit I been wanting one for line ever and me with my racing aplication I need this. how will the ecp repont is I take boost up from 15 to 22psi over the week end at the track will I need to ajust binary codes of it will be pre program for every psi I go up? or it will be ajusted to a specific boost lvl.  ?? |
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Post by bloodire on Sept 8, 2010 21:30:40 GMT -5
Just a wild guess but I bet this won't support the A4LD will it?
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Post by Stinger on Sept 8, 2010 22:45:37 GMT -5
OK Stinger you are telling us going from Vane to speed density is that essy unplug Vane meter take if off car. connect a vacume line to MS ecp box and voila its done no tuning of anykind to do? If so put me up on list for that kit I been wanting one for line ever and me with my racing aplication I need this. how will the ecp repont is I take boost up from 15 to 22psi over the week end at the track will I need to ajust binary codes of it will be pre program for every psi I go up? or it will be ajusted to a specific boost lvl. ?? I didn't say it wouldn't need to be tuned. I was just referring to the task of converting to speed density rather than the vam. It WILL come with a base tune that should get it started. From there, you can use my MS tuning guide to get it driveable. Once you can drive it, you can use the software's VE Live feature which auto tunes while you drive around. If used properly and assuming you don't have any mechanical issues with the engine, it should be dialed in after 30-60 minutes of driving (in the areas you drove in). If you never drive it over 10 psi while using VE Live, it won't be tuned above that boost pressure. So that means if you want to raise the boost more than a few psi at the track, you'll need to run that boost while tuning first...or if you are good, you can manually get that part of the map "close" and then tune while making a pass at higher boost... No adjusting "binary codes" involved though, just simply raise the number values at the boost/rpm you want to add more fuel and it does so. Increase the number by 10% and it feeds it 10% more fuel in that region of the map. |
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Post by Stinger on Sept 8, 2010 22:50:49 GMT -5
Just a wild guess but I bet this won't support the A4LD will it? I'll look into this and get back to you...I think it can be controlled if the ecu is setup properly for it. |
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Post by bobbarker on Sept 9, 2010 16:20:31 GMT -5
HOLY LORD I'M ABOUT TO CRAP MYSELF WAITING FOR THIS!!!!
I literally already have the money in my paypal waiting for a final price and chance to order!!!
(even though I still haven't installed the FMIC and wastegate, or BPV, or fuel pump, or AFPR...)
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